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00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:53,379 blame it all on Chris O'Brien though 88 00:05:59,670 --> 00:05:56,330 Chris's fall was Chris you know you 89 00:06:04,619 --> 00:05:59,680 start talking about the government 90 00:06:09,129 --> 00:06:04,629 disclosure and and our website crashed 91 00:06:10,749 --> 00:06:09,139 YouTube that made the whole it was just 92 00:06:13,769 --> 00:06:10,759 like blip blip blip blip blip and 93 00:06:16,619 --> 00:06:13,779 everything was fine here so that was 94 00:06:20,350 --> 00:06:16,629 that was that was really strange 95 00:06:22,269 --> 00:06:20,360 well yeah I don't even react anymore 96 00:06:25,149 --> 00:06:22,279 Chris you know you know what was weird 97 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:25,159 this is the true that this is as true as 98 00:06:33,249 --> 00:06:27,919 anything I've ever said when I did 99 00:06:36,249 --> 00:06:33,259 sports radio never nothing technically I 100 00:06:38,499 --> 00:06:36,259 never a hitch everything rock-solid 101 00:06:40,899 --> 00:06:38,509 every single day you start doing this 102 00:06:47,890 --> 00:06:40,909 stuff and conspiracies and things and 103 00:06:51,219 --> 00:06:47,900 and weirdness it's it's it's yeah it is 104 00:06:51,939 --> 00:06:51,229 par for the course so let's let's yeah I 105 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:51,949 know right 106 00:06:56,829 --> 00:06:55,190 totally totally let's get back to where 107 00:07:02,159 --> 00:06:56,839 we were though and somebody who just 108 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:04,779 you said something interesting that if 109 00:07:10,029 --> 00:07:06,889 the president got up 110 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:10,039 POTUS he's on the podium he's live that 111 00:07:18,850 --> 00:07:15,979 half of the world would would react like 112 00:07:23,529 --> 00:07:18,860 that there's another message they're 113 00:07:25,059 --> 00:07:23,539 doing this for a reason I I look at it a 114 00:07:27,670 --> 00:07:25,069 little bit different I don't want your 115 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:27,680 feeling on this that when the day of 116 00:07:32,050 --> 00:07:29,810 disclosure happened you know December 117 00:07:34,149 --> 00:07:32,060 16th last year with the with the New 118 00:07:37,990 --> 00:07:34,159 York Times and what happened in in in 119 00:07:40,329 --> 00:07:38,000 mass media my family that never talks 120 00:07:42,459 --> 00:07:40,339 about UFOs they know what I do for a job 121 00:07:44,709 --> 00:07:42,469 right but they would you know they don't 122 00:07:48,189 --> 00:07:44,719 talk to me about it but their reaction 123 00:07:50,290 --> 00:07:48,199 was so what we're not alone we knew it 124 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:50,300 and I thought that was a pretty 125 00:07:54,189 --> 00:07:51,680 interesting 126 00:07:56,430 --> 00:07:54,199 reaction Wall Street didn't collapse 127 00:07:59,020 --> 00:07:56,440 right the Vatican didn't burn down 128 00:08:04,020 --> 00:07:59,030 people didn't jump off of buildings it 129 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:04,030 seemed like it was pretty status quo 130 00:08:08,469 --> 00:08:06,800 yeah well again that's going back to 131 00:08:10,689 --> 00:08:08,479 what we were talking about earlier is 132 00:08:14,469 --> 00:08:10,699 the power of the media how we've been 133 00:08:17,290 --> 00:08:14,479 sort of just best over the head with the 134 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:17,300 subject this is the biggest income 135 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:19,759 producing subjects on television you 136 00:08:23,650 --> 00:08:21,770 know ancient aliens is a top show in the 137 00:08:27,189 --> 00:08:23,660 history of the SP channel besides maybe 138 00:08:29,230 --> 00:08:27,199 Pawn Stars you know you're looking at a 139 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:29,240 tremendous upsurge of interest in these 140 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:32,690 subjects and more and more emphasis on 141 00:08:36,730 --> 00:08:34,250 these subjects those being placed in the 142 00:08:39,370 --> 00:08:36,740 media and now that we're we're you know 143 00:08:41,199 --> 00:08:39,380 the greater the the Gray Lady is you 144 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:41,209 know and then Wall Street Journal and 145 00:08:48,610 --> 00:08:44,330 The Washington Post CNN and now fox news 146 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:48,620 are covering you know the whole tic-tac 147 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:51,920 videos and they the Manomet story and 148 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:55,310 the whole thing with the with the big 149 00:09:02,440 --> 00:08:58,010 oil space being involved with Lou 150 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:02,450 elizondo's group it it's it's just 151 00:09:06,550 --> 00:09:04,430 incremental I think disclosure has been 152 00:09:09,970 --> 00:09:06,560 going on for many years we're just 153 00:09:13,060 --> 00:09:09,980 seeing it if I try to watch the minute 154 00:09:15,070 --> 00:09:13,070 hand on a clock the old analog clock we 155 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:15,080 can't yet move but you know it is moving 156 00:09:20,740 --> 00:09:17,839 so we're gradually creeping forward and 157 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:20,750 the further we go the more the media 158 00:09:25,390 --> 00:09:22,550 covers this stuff the more jaded people 159 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:25,400 become especially the kids there is a 160 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:27,170 place you know the whole idea of 161 00:09:32,890 --> 00:09:29,510 conferences is going to you know go the 162 00:09:35,230 --> 00:09:32,900 way of the cassette tape and and en 163 00:09:38,590 --> 00:09:35,240 records cassette you know they let's say 164 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:38,600 8-track tapes because they want to go 165 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:41,450 and sit down in a hard chair and listen 166 00:09:46,449 --> 00:09:43,310 the you know speaker after speaker lid 167 00:09:48,490 --> 00:09:46,459 don't tune in online but they can't 168 00:09:51,730 --> 00:09:48,500 afford that you know spend for a hotel 169 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:51,740 fly themselves there you know go out to 170 00:09:54,610 --> 00:09:52,970 dinner and all this stuff 171 00:09:56,740 --> 00:09:54,620 the only reason really why a lot of 172 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:56,750 these people baby boomers do this and 173 00:10:00,340 --> 00:09:58,850 continue to do it I think is because 174 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:00,350 it's a social thing they get to see 175 00:10:04,510 --> 00:10:02,570 people they haven't seen in a while you 176 00:10:05,620 --> 00:10:04,520 know they have a whole set of friends 177 00:10:07,330 --> 00:10:05,630 that they reconnect 178 00:10:09,490 --> 00:10:07,340 with when I go to these conferences I 179 00:10:11,950 --> 00:10:09,500 never go listen to the speakers I'm 180 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:11,960 always you know reconnecting with people 181 00:10:18,070 --> 00:10:14,570 and comparing notes and and networking 182 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:18,080 and stuff that's kind of what I do so I 183 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:19,990 think we're seeing a whole new 184 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:23,720 generation now coming up in and uh you 185 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:26,450 know and you look at you go to the UFO 186 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:28,310 Congress and you go to move on the 187 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:30,230 average age there is in the mid sixties 188 00:10:38,260 --> 00:10:34,090 okay I wanted a young guy yeah right 189 00:10:39,850 --> 00:10:38,270 it's so the whole thing is gonna shift 190 00:10:41,590 --> 00:10:39,860 there's going to be complete changes 191 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:41,600 it's the same way with the record 192 00:10:46,510 --> 00:10:44,210 industry it's the same way you know with 193 00:10:49,150 --> 00:10:46,520 with broadcast you know major network 194 00:10:51,430 --> 00:10:49,160 television um you know what we're seeing 195 00:10:53,710 --> 00:10:51,440 because of the internet because of the 196 00:10:55,630 --> 00:10:53,720 access information we're seeing a 197 00:10:57,550 --> 00:10:55,640 complete shift in how this information 198 00:11:00,640 --> 00:10:57,560 is delivered and that's gonna that's 199 00:11:03,010 --> 00:11:00,650 gonna impact I think greatly the 200 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:03,020 paranormal subject matter that we're all 201 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:07,040 in what do you think about disclosure 202 00:11:13,630 --> 00:11:11,510 happening with POTUS and the podium 203 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:13,640 that's one thing but what about a 204 00:11:22,990 --> 00:11:17,990 blowout accidental disclosure one that 205 00:11:27,370 --> 00:11:23,000 you can't deny such as WikiLeaks or some 206 00:11:29,590 --> 00:11:27,380 type of data dump or a hack or anonymous 207 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:29,600 getting in you know like Gary McKinnon 208 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:32,650 you know getting into NASA's computers 209 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:36,530 where that would happen and then they 210 00:11:43,930 --> 00:11:40,490 are forced into a disclosure situation 211 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:43,940 where yeah I can see that but I think 212 00:11:48,670 --> 00:11:45,350 number one it's very compartmentalized 213 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:48,680 and most of the real salacious stuff the 214 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:51,110 real meat and potatoes the real good 215 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:53,110 stuff is in the private sector and 216 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:56,600 that's pretty difficult to get at you 217 00:12:01,840 --> 00:11:58,490 really have to have some sort of 218 00:12:04,450 --> 00:12:01,850 whistleblower that's gonna leak some way 219 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:04,460 for a hacker and well I'll check this 220 00:12:11,650 --> 00:12:06,640 out go check that out and pull it out of 221 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:11,660 you know Aerodyne or TRW or you know any 222 00:12:17,079 --> 00:12:15,050 of these I guess both of those don't 223 00:12:18,809 --> 00:12:17,089 exist anymore but McDonnell Douglas from 224 00:12:21,719 --> 00:12:18,819 Boeing you know that's 225 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:21,729 a lot of it so when you say private 226 00:12:25,199 --> 00:12:24,100 sector yeah when you say private sector 227 00:12:29,609 --> 00:12:25,209 you're talking about lock either 228 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:29,619 skunkworks yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I 229 00:12:34,499 --> 00:12:32,470 think a lot of it is and in their ports 230 00:12:36,809 --> 00:12:34,509 out of the reach of a Freedom of 231 00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:36,819 Information Act request I'm John 232 00:12:43,139 --> 00:12:39,369 Greenwald obviously you've had him on 233 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:43,149 the show he's a real good person to you 234 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:44,889 know to get a hit on on how much he 235 00:12:53,369 --> 00:12:49,350 thinks is really in in the government 236 00:12:55,049 --> 00:12:53,379 files compartmentalize away from most of 237 00:12:58,409 --> 00:12:55,059 us you know of course we have our 238 00:13:01,739 --> 00:12:58,419 wright-patterson and you know some of 239 00:13:04,379 --> 00:13:01,749 the the work that they do counter 240 00:13:07,199 --> 00:13:04,389 espionage on foreign technology and and 241 00:13:09,479 --> 00:13:07,209 things like that chances are there is 242 00:13:14,309 --> 00:13:09,489 some stuff there there there may be 243 00:13:16,650 --> 00:13:14,319 other stuff and Rd programs think tanks 244 00:13:17,429 --> 00:13:16,660 that sort of thing but I think the real 245 00:13:21,829 --> 00:13:17,439 meat and potatoes 246 00:13:26,699 --> 00:13:21,839 the real text of the the possible crash 247 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:26,709 objects technology things that can be 248 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:28,569 back engineer that sort of thing I I'm 249 00:13:33,149 --> 00:13:30,970 pretty sure that that's been schooled 250 00:13:36,779 --> 00:13:33,159 away into a consortium of private 251 00:13:39,029 --> 00:13:36,789 private industry especially now say how 252 00:13:41,969 --> 00:13:39,039 do you react to that though in the 253 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:41,979 backwards engineering aspect of it 254 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:45,100 certainly if it has occurred and it 255 00:13:49,139 --> 00:13:47,169 probably has I don't have any proof of 256 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:49,149 that but we wouldn't be the only ones 257 00:13:54,469 --> 00:13:51,850 the Russians must have crashed and 258 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:54,479 macron engineer self or Chinese or 259 00:14:01,229 --> 00:13:58,689 Brazil right it's it's not a bit yeah 260 00:14:04,169 --> 00:14:01,239 right a good book to read is jacques 261 00:14:06,749 --> 00:14:04,179 fillets book city co-wrote with the help 262 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:06,759 of tracing form a who of course was the 263 00:14:11,579 --> 00:14:08,409 seamless story editor for Star Trek 264 00:14:14,219 --> 00:14:11,589 generation did the the fire in the sky 265 00:14:17,909 --> 00:14:14,229 movie about Travis Walton wrote the 266 00:14:19,439 --> 00:14:17,919 script produced it he wrote a book that 267 00:14:20,999 --> 00:14:19,449 not many people you know people tend to 268 00:14:24,269 --> 00:14:21,009 forget about it's called fast Walker 269 00:14:27,269 --> 00:14:24,279 it's based on his novel II there in 270 00:14:30,349 --> 00:14:27,279 France called a Intel and it's it's a 271 00:14:32,730 --> 00:14:30,359 loosely too close to fictionalized 272 00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:32,740 it's a fictionalized story 273 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:37,060 a reporter getting into an underground 274 00:14:43,980 --> 00:14:40,750 base seeing the technology finding out 275 00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:43,990 that it's it's probably biological and 276 00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:47,440 is involved with their interfaces with 277 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:51,279 human consciousness their spatial your 278 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:54,010 wild spatial things you know inside and 279 00:14:59,699 --> 00:14:56,010 you could be inside a huge you know 280 00:15:01,560 --> 00:14:59,709 spaces no way it could be inside that 281 00:15:03,150 --> 00:15:01,570 small object can go in there and like 282 00:15:05,010 --> 00:15:03,160 you're in you know another world like 283 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,020 you walk through Alice in Wonderland 284 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:07,600 this would be I think there's a lot of 285 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:09,730 clues in there and that way wrote that 286 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:12,490 book for very specific reason he wanted 287 00:15:18,420 --> 00:15:15,850 to be able to tell his public something 288 00:15:20,190 --> 00:15:18,430 that he couldn't tell them as being 289 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:20,200 reality based but something that he 290 00:15:24,449 --> 00:15:22,450 could fictionalized so maybe get some 291 00:15:26,910 --> 00:15:24,459 points across and I I just reread that 292 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:26,920 again for the first time and a number of 293 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:29,260 years and and I I do recommend that 294 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:30,940 people if they if you really want to 295 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:33,490 have a sense of an insider's view of 296 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:36,510 what's going on it's a really good book 297 00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:40,390 yeah it reminded me so much the way of 298 00:15:45,780 --> 00:15:42,880 my screenplay that I wrote that then 299 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:45,790 also have some pretty interesting twists 300 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:50,920 in there about the possible ability to 301 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:53,050 back engineer technology and and to use 302 00:15:58,740 --> 00:15:54,850 antigrav and that sort of thing 303 00:16:01,680 --> 00:15:58,750 what do we do with the I want to wrap up 304 00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:01,690 with this thought what do we do with the 305 00:16:08,990 --> 00:16:04,270 abduction phenomenon you know as a 306 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,000 community where so many out there have 307 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:11,680 the numbers probably in the millions 308 00:16:17,940 --> 00:16:15,670 right that has the same experiences and 309 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:17,950 the same memories and the same story 310 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:23,290 that is told over and over again that is 311 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:28,110 we're taking a step in a direction of 312 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:31,720 fantastical but so many have the same 313 00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:33,490 experience over and over again you've 314 00:16:37,710 --> 00:16:35,740 interviewed and and talked to so many 315 00:16:43,710 --> 00:16:37,720 that have these experiences what do we 316 00:16:45,750 --> 00:16:43,720 do with that well you know I very very 317 00:16:46,450 --> 00:16:45,760 complicated there's a lot of different 318 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:46,460 elements 319 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:48,530 I out of all the hundreds and hundreds 320 00:16:54,570 --> 00:16:52,370 of cases that I explored I'd only had 321 00:16:57,790 --> 00:16:54,580 four abduction cases believe it or not 322 00:16:59,950 --> 00:16:57,800 in ten years only four people came to me 323 00:17:03,130 --> 00:16:59,960 two of them were definitely delusional 324 00:17:05,199 --> 00:17:03,140 two of them I felt were very very good 325 00:17:07,540 --> 00:17:05,209 cases which I write about in my book 326 00:17:09,940 --> 00:17:07,550 secrets of the mysterious alley one was 327 00:17:12,070 --> 00:17:09,950 shown the location of gold treasure when 328 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:12,080 he asked who couldn't commit and your 329 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:13,970 technology show me gold and they showed 330 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:16,850 him for a different one was a lost 331 00:17:22,210 --> 00:17:20,089 robbery hoard one was a Spanish an 332 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:22,220 abandoned Spanish minor caved in has a 333 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:25,360 bunch of gold and the other was a gold 334 00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:27,950 deposit that had yet to be discovered 335 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:31,220 and what was the other I I forget what 336 00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:33,590 the fourth one was but that was a very 337 00:17:37,150 --> 00:17:35,120 interesting story and then I had another 338 00:17:39,490 --> 00:17:37,160 a woman who claimed that she had and she 339 00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,500 showed me medical records the lightest 340 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:41,360 she entered a third trimester pregnancy 341 00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:44,870 her pregnancy disappeared and her her 342 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:46,670 doctor said it was like she'd never been 343 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:50,600 pregnant you know just all the tests 344 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:52,010 that they get on her and there was it 345 00:17:55,810 --> 00:17:54,110 was totally baffling I was actually 346 00:18:00,820 --> 00:17:55,820 turned on to that case by the County 347 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:00,830 Sheriff's Department so you know I I 348 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:03,050 would think that if it was as widespread 349 00:18:08,860 --> 00:18:06,260 as you're saying that you know hot fiery 350 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:08,870 like I was investigating and the amount 351 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:10,490 of people that knew what I was doing and 352 00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:13,730 I would have gotten more calls about you 353 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:17,360 know people's claims of visitations and 354 00:18:21,910 --> 00:18:19,910 abductions actually there was one other 355 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:21,920 third one that was very good that did 356 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:24,530 coincided with an experience I had 20 357 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:26,210 minutes after I felt something walk into 358 00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:28,760 my room and I couldn't really see it but 359 00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:30,470 I definitely knew there was a group of 360 00:18:34,570 --> 00:18:32,990 something there and I just felt that so 361 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:34,580 strongly and then I found out a couple 362 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:36,170 weeks later that my neighbor right 363 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:39,110 literally a stone's throw away had the 364 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:40,610 same thing happened to her except she 365 00:18:50,020 --> 00:18:42,530 was able to see them all when they 366 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:50,030 walked in to her wall so pump the brakes 367 00:19:00,370 --> 00:18:58,250 Chris Chris O'Brien yes just said that 368 00:19:05,410 --> 00:19:00,380 you had something he 369 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:05,420 I think he said multiple beings in your 370 00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:08,510 room he came right through the wall next 371 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:11,360 to my head they walked around went down 372 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:13,610 the side of my bed to them and then 373 00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:16,040 curved around at one point one suck at 374 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:19,430 faith what I could feel the presence of 375 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:21,770 something just inches away from me like 376 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:23,090 something was looking in my face but I 377 00:19:27,850 --> 00:19:26,030 couldn't see it but I can feel it it was 378 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:27,860 just it was one of these who I've never 379 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,490 felt that before ever before and I just 380 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:35,600 told them hey if you're not you know 381 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:38,480 here too you know if you're not positive 382 00:19:44,170 --> 00:19:42,770 if you're you know if you're not know if 383 00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:44,180 you're not here with good intentions 384 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:47,000 leave and they did and I thought well I 385 00:19:51,460 --> 00:19:49,190 was weird and I woke my girlfriend I 386 00:19:53,410 --> 00:19:51,470 said can you sense something she goes no 387 00:19:56,350 --> 00:19:53,420 I don't sense anything why did you wake 388 00:19:59,380 --> 00:19:56,360 me up I said okay and see this world 389 00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:59,390 over and was mad at me and I found out 390 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:02,240 somebody came to me about a week later 391 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:05,330 and said you know your neighbor there 392 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:06,950 had something really weird happen to her 393 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:09,890 in her little five year old boy she told 394 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:11,720 me about it she doesn't want anybody to 395 00:20:15,130 --> 00:20:13,310 know but I think you should talk to her 396 00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:15,140 and so I took me about a week to get her 397 00:20:20,290 --> 00:20:18,260 to admit something happened then when I 398 00:20:22,030 --> 00:20:20,300 talked to her she showed me her notes 399 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:22,040 that she written down in her journal and 400 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:24,110 she said yeah they when they came to her 401 00:20:28,540 --> 00:20:25,850 awhile they look like water they were 402 00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:28,550 rippling like like they were partially 403 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:31,220 trans you know they weren't they're 404 00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:32,690 partially manifest they were like water 405 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:36,470 and then they they became totally you 406 00:20:40,450 --> 00:20:38,990 know opaque and they ignored her and 407 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:40,460 they went and they circled around the 408 00:20:44,530 --> 00:20:42,050 crib where a little five-year-old boy 409 00:20:47,650 --> 00:20:44,540 was and she was really scared and she 410 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:47,660 started you know blessing her son and 411 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:50,150 her self and in telling them if you're 412 00:20:54,370 --> 00:20:52,310 not uncle like please leave Otto blah 413 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:54,380 and they did and they walked right back 414 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:55,970 out through the wall the same way that 415 00:21:00,520 --> 00:20:58,210 came in and I said well what's a date 416 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:00,530 ever with a date at the time and I'm 417 00:21:04,990 --> 00:21:03,260 like wow that was 20 minutes after I had 418 00:21:08,020 --> 00:21:05,000 something happen I wrote about it in my 419 00:21:10,810 --> 00:21:08,030 play my first book the mysterious hour 420 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:10,820 that was where and she was married to a 421 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:15,010 very famous psychologist as well already 422 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:21,010 so no I'm not just some housewife that 423 00:21:28,290 --> 00:21:23,290 needs some attention she's a very very 424 00:21:30,090 --> 00:21:28,300 smart educated freaked out individual 425 00:21:32,430 --> 00:21:30,100 who had never even thought these things 426 00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:32,440 were possible and a little boy was 427 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:34,270 predicting earthquakes it was an 428 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:37,510 interesting interesting story and she 429 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,950 definitely got the sense that they're 430 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:41,200 interested in him and she was just kind 431 00:21:45,210 --> 00:21:43,630 of there and normally she wouldn't be 432 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:45,220 sleeping in his room but he hadn't yet 433 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:46,930 nightmares of something so she was in 434 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:51,610 there very interesting case I wouldn't 435 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:53,490 call her an abduction but it was 436 00:22:01,290 --> 00:21:58,330 definitely left a kind of an impression 437 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:01,300 on me because I I was sure something 438 00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:02,890 came in I actually thought I could see 439 00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:07,240 it at one point the shoulders arm it was 440 00:22:15,570 --> 00:22:11,880 like reflections off of almost like a 441 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:15,580 like the predator and the movie predator 442 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:18,880 yeah yeah yeah kind of a flashing mirror 443 00:22:23,130 --> 00:22:22,000 sort of sparkly feeling to the air but 444 00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:23,140 you couldn't really see anything and I 445 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:34,770 same thing the same thing with me you 446 00:22:38,850 --> 00:22:37,090 know I had one you know very similar to 447 00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,860 two that happen to me never happened 448 00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,440 again but the difference was I didn't 449 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:43,120 talk about it alright I didn't tell 450 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:46,210 anybody and and and I still I'm 451 00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:47,860 uncomfortable with it and that I I 452 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:50,200 really don't want to know I don't want 453 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:51,850 to know what happened I don't want to 454 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:54,310 know who it was I I don't want to 455 00:22:58,740 --> 00:22:57,130 regress I don't want to know if I was 456 00:23:05,670 --> 00:22:58,750 abducted No 457 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:05,680 you know personal encounter which I mean 458 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:07,210 they follow me around my neighborhood at 459 00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:09,910 3:00 in the morning that's a whole other 460 00:23:15,540 --> 00:23:13,180 thing that that climent in the subject I 461 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:15,550 mean I've always been interested because 462 00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:17,590 I know there's something no it's not 463 00:23:27,650 --> 00:23:22,120 it's not you know it's not like you and 464 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:27,660 me it's definitely okay I'm 465 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:30,370 okay I'm gonna keep you for overtime I 466 00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:33,160 want to hear about this this this 467 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:34,860 encounter when you were seven 468 00:23:43,169 --> 00:23:37,840 so just Tam Bob we're gonna take a break 469 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:43,179 here but did you say Artie Lange yeah V 470 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:46,570 Artie Lange yes really 471 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:49,510 yeah his last wife and he had a child 472 00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:51,700 before he died when he was much older 473 00:23:59,070 --> 00:23:56,280 and she lived in questa Wow 474 00:24:00,510 --> 00:23:59,080 okay yeah that's I probably shouldn't 475 00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:00,520 have said that I mean it's been 25 years 476 00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:03,580 20 years so you know maybe she'll she'll 477 00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:05,260 be okay with it but yeah was a son 478 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:08,590 Charlie Wow Wow okay let's take a break 479 00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:10,809 right here and when we come back Chris 480 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:13,150 on what I've got to know what happened 481 00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,460 when we were seven and so save all of 482 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:17,200 that we'll do that when we come back our 483 00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:18,700 guest tonight christopher o'brien and 484 00:24:25,950 --> 00:24:22,870 i've this the thing with chris chris and 485 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:25,960 i a few years ago we sat chris will 486 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:27,490 remember this we sat and talked for 487 00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,610 about two or three hours in in 120 488 00:24:35,159 --> 00:24:33,520 degrees you remember that and it was one 489 00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,169 of the best conversations I've ever had 490 00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:37,600 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00:28:37,349 the network you're listening to right 576 00:28:50,650 --> 00:28:40,379 now the paranormal radio app free in 577 00:29:04,880 --> 00:28:54,350 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 578 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:04,890 born this way k GRA radio.com this is k 579 00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:21,300 [Music] 580 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:23,310 welcome back fade to black coming host 581 00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:25,210 immatures doing a little overtime with a 582 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,180 Chris O'Brien tonight and before we get 583 00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:30,880 back to Chris I want to 584 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:32,860 well first off tomorrow night Johnny 585 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:34,270 Enoch is going to be here and then 586 00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:36,910 Wednesday night Patrick wood is our 587 00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:39,100 guest Thursday night is going to be open 588 00:29:43,650 --> 00:29:40,870 lines Fator night with a Theresa and 589 00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:43,660 Aris here as well but I do want to know 590 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:49,000 a little PSA announcement la Marzulli 591 00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:52,840 lost his home and studio and facilities 592 00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:55,240 to the fires here in Southern California 593 00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:58,810 over the weekend and we posted up and 594 00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:00,520 it's over on our Facebook page too as 595 00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:01,030 well 596 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:05,920 the GoFundMe to help out la and his 597 00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:10,930 family and he is a host here on KCRA and 598 00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,430 has his program he's a member of this 599 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:14,320 community and family for many years and 600 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:18,640 so anything that you can do to help LA 601 00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:21,610 and get through this very difficult time 602 00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,040 and also Chris has his GoFundMe too as 603 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:30,240 well and Chris everybody can they go to 604 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:34,450 you fo da p.com which we have the links 605 00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:36,250 up at Jimmy Church radio back and they 606 00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:41,470 can they help you out there no go fund 607 00:30:56,490 --> 00:30:53,620 me.com /u fo dat DAP and then - - okay 608 00:30:58,890 --> 00:30:56,500 so okay we're gonna get those links up 609 00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:58,900 on Twitter so the links for the GoFundMe 610 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:02,320 are not over at the UFO da P website no 611 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:04,210 that's it's a placeholder until next 612 00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:06,310 week when the psychic oh I got you I got 613 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:08,380 you okay alright so we'll get the links 614 00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,450 up for your GoFundMe here in Twitter 615 00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:13,600 right now and okay so what happened when 616 00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:15,520 you were seven this is what's really 617 00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:17,740 funny I was just talking about our 618 00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:19,660 conversation that we had in the Sun that 619 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:22,900 one day and you never know I'm just 620 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:24,370 gonna tell the audience a little slice 621 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:26,170 of this conversation so Chris and I are 622 00:31:32,550 --> 00:31:28,780 sitting there talking and we find out 623 00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:32,560 that we have a mutual friend 624 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:34,360 a close friend I'm not 625 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:37,270 say his name but a close friend that I 626 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:41,260 have known for 30 35 years and and Chris 627 00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:43,930 and you just never know when he sit down 628 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,660 how small the world is right and that's 629 00:31:53,490 --> 00:31:49,840 a small world and I do owe you a 630 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:53,500 photograph of our mutual friend and I 631 00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:54,130 will 632 00:32:00,030 --> 00:31:57,790 hey can i go public that he would kill 633 00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:00,040 me he would kill you too as well but 634 00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:04,350 nonetheless it's a small walk at Lake 635 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:06,460 that's my fear 636 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:11,650 talented and and very cool person but 637 00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:21,810 I woke up I had a bedroom in the 638 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:24,760 basement where did this happen 639 00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:28,210 this happened and one of the let's put 640 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:30,040 it this way if I had my paper out today 641 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:32,170 that I had back then a couple years 642 00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:34,690 later I'd be Bill Gates the paper boy it 643 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:36,910 happened in medina on the lake in 644 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:39,550 bellevue okay a Washington got you okay 645 00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:45,160 and so anyway I'm in when I wake up and 646 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:49,840 I see I'm immediately I see this 647 00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:52,570 glittering light going up and down like 648 00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,480 you know two foot wand there were three 649 00:32:59,730 --> 00:32:58,000 of them and I'm like what what is this 650 00:33:02,100 --> 00:32:59,740 and they're like kind of at the side of 651 00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:02,110 my bed and then curved around towards 652 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:05,680 the foot of my bed and then as my eyes 653 00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:07,690 start to adjust to the light I realized 654 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:10,870 that that there's three hands hold in 655 00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:12,400 the middle of these wands with this 656 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:14,800 colored light going up and down like 657 00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:17,410 glittering and I could see from the glow 658 00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:20,860 of these wands of spheres as I called 659 00:33:23,790 --> 00:33:21,340 them later 660 00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:23,800 I could see the outline of these 661 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:27,960 extremely skinny you're like I mean arms 662 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:33,910 like my thumb legs like no T thumbs with 663 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:36,130 I mean I called them stick men they were 664 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:37,900 incredibly skinny there was three of 665 00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:40,150 them they look like it was a fourth one 666 00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:41,920 maybe a taller one in the back was 667 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:44,800 hiding in the dark I really couldn't see 668 00:33:48,270 --> 00:33:47,410 much detail of course the first thing I 669 00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:48,280 did was 670 00:33:54,810 --> 00:33:52,780 was cover myself up with my cover all 671 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:54,820 right put them back up to look to see if 672 00:33:58,350 --> 00:33:56,890 I was dreaming or not and when I 673 00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,360 realized that they were real 674 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:00,640 I just dashed out of my room I wasn't 675 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:03,850 frozen I wasn't you know immobilized and 676 00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:05,950 I dashed out of my door I went up the 677 00:34:10,169 --> 00:34:07,900 ten steps to the land you know right at 678 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:10,179 the front door I turned around to go up 679 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:12,310 the last four steps to the part of the 680 00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:14,950 house and my parents bedroom was and 681 00:34:21,390 --> 00:34:17,820 they were at the top of the stairs and 682 00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:21,400 if I didn't know if it was the same 683 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:23,380 group or whether it was a different 684 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:25,690 group but it was the same three little 685 00:34:31,710 --> 00:34:28,330 guys the same height as I was I'm 686 00:34:37,169 --> 00:34:31,720 holding these these glittering Spears I 687 00:34:39,390 --> 00:34:37,179 call them so I ran to the kitchen and I 688 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:39,400 I grabbed the door to go out and I 689 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:41,320 forgot my dad and just put this screen 690 00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:43,890 door on and I ran into the screen door 691 00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:47,560 this is in the early spring just before 692 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:49,630 my seventh birthday I think I was six 693 00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:54,370 and you know six and like 52 weeks or 694 00:34:58,860 --> 00:34:56,500 somethin or 51 weeks my birthday was 695 00:35:02,070 --> 00:34:58,870 right around the corner so I got knocked 696 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:02,080 down and this is when I really knew I 697 00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:04,750 was awake I had a bump little bump on my 698 00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:07,030 head and I could see them all the way 699 00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:08,740 through the kitchen at the other end of 700 00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:11,080 the kitchen and at this point there was 701 00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:12,910 enough kind of residual light where I 702 00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:15,550 could really get a much better sense of 703 00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:19,480 them and and see how impossibly skinny 704 00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:22,080 they were they were a pasty kind of 705 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:25,350 off-white kind of a dirty white color 706 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,940 they have large heads I don't remember 707 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:30,640 there are blank that out for some reason 708 00:35:36,810 --> 00:35:33,100 I don't remember on the shape of this 709 00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:36,820 rod just kind of strange anyway I wanted 710 00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:40,180 to run around to my parents room for 711 00:35:44,070 --> 00:35:42,550 some reason they either blocked me or 712 00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:44,080 something happened and I ended up going 713 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,420 down the driveway through the hedge to 714 00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:48,160 go to the the Richards who live next 715 00:35:52,530 --> 00:35:50,470 door banging on their door and see if I 716 00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:52,540 could use their phone to call call back 717 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:54,700 to the house and nobody answered the 718 00:35:59,130 --> 00:35:57,130 door and so I ran out to the next 719 00:36:02,900 --> 00:35:59,140 neighbor and they had a big huge lawn 720 00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:02,910 and there was a street by the 721 00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:05,400 between those along and my neighbor's 722 00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:07,470 driveway and so I split out in the 723 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,790 middle of the lawn with plenty of elbow 724 00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:11,040 room and I kind of waited to see if they 725 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:12,660 would come see the lights I could get a 726 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:13,770 really good look at him 727 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:16,290 and this is the weird part of this this 728 00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:18,930 is you know the trickster kind of the 729 00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:20,670 part that you know when you tell people 730 00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:22,980 this they don't they go okay well it had 731 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:24,900 to have been a dream but they approached 732 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:26,790 the light and right when they got to 733 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:28,650 where the light was splaining in the 734 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:29,970 circle on the ground they turned 735 00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:31,590 sideways and had no depth 736 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:36,030 they were like paper 2d they were flat 737 00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:40,170 2d exactly and they turned sideways and 738 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:41,700 they came to the light I could see these 739 00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:43,890 thin lines coming through the light and 740 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:47,760 I just I I became terrified I ran around 741 00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:50,310 the Barkers house banged on their door 742 00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,990 last thing I remember is their porch 743 00:36:59,330 --> 00:36:54,720 light coming on and then my sister found 744 00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,340 me four five houses away on a deck she 745 00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:00,960 said she looked for me for about twenty 746 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:03,420 minutes I think it was longer the 747 00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:06,300 Barkers had seen the outside when they 748 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:07,800 went to open the door wasn't there so 749 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,570 they called my house my sister answered 750 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:12,000 the phone she started looking for me she 751 00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,570 found me finally you know across the 752 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:17,040 street you got out on the other 753 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:20,310 direction so I you know I don't know how 754 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:23,250 much time yeah I was that I'm missing 755 00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,180 let's say but it's between 40 minutes 756 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:28,800 and 20 minutes and 40 minutes I'm like 757 00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:31,890 that my sister took me home she said I 758 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:33,150 was absolutely terrified 759 00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:36,810 I wouldn't go down to my room I think I 760 00:37:40,339 --> 00:37:38,849 said the stick man mystic man and she 761 00:37:43,339 --> 00:37:40,349 thought I was having a nightmare I'd 762 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,349 never sleep walk before since and she 763 00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,240 said I was so freaked out when I fell 764 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:47,760 asleep in the bed with her I tried to 765 00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:50,010 nurse her she said that's how terrified 766 00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:55,380 it was which is really strange for me 767 00:38:00,440 --> 00:37:58,619 that was kind of a you know so macho 768 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:00,450 little kid you know Millie in the sports 769 00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,330 and everything even at six it's the most 770 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,680 incredible thing that's ever happened to 771 00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:10,800 me I remember like is it yesterday it's 772 00:38:16,089 --> 00:38:14,040 just it's seared into my brain years 773 00:38:18,279 --> 00:38:16,099 later I found out John keel and 774 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:18,289 get it to the other cases with the exact 775 00:38:23,019 --> 00:38:20,089 same description and the towns around my 776 00:38:26,349 --> 00:38:23,029 town and I think laying around Lake 777 00:38:28,059 --> 00:38:26,359 Sammamish Houghton and Redmond there 778 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:28,069 were three other cases and in fact in 779 00:38:33,009 --> 00:38:29,630 one of the cases the kid called them 780 00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:33,019 stickman I think this is an operation 781 00:38:39,699 --> 00:38:37,190 Trojan horse appeal book so you you know 782 00:38:42,849 --> 00:38:39,709 i I've always known that there's 783 00:38:44,439 --> 00:38:42,859 something here it's living here now and 784 00:38:47,529 --> 00:38:44,449 it's probably as stressful as we are 785 00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:47,539 right I have a suspicion that we have 786 00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:50,599 yet to define that's interacting with us 787 00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:52,940 on some level and you know whether 788 00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,150 they're crypto terrestrials ultra 789 00:38:59,920 --> 00:38:57,920 terrestrials if you will or meta 790 00:39:02,920 --> 00:38:59,930 terrestrial dimensional were there other 791 00:39:04,959 --> 00:39:02,930 tenants and on earth you know I really 792 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:04,969 don't know I just I didn't see any class 793 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:08,089 I have no reason to think that they came 794 00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:10,729 from you know from outer space would say 795 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:13,640 I was not exposed to sci-fi at that age 796 00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:16,160 I wasn't allowed to watch TV I read a 797 00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:18,680 very young boy stirred life when I was 798 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:21,140 young my parents are very protective of 799 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:24,440 outside influences and stuff and this 800 00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:27,890 you know of course they they said oh you 801 00:39:31,749 --> 00:39:29,660 were just having a nightmare and 802 00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:31,759 sleepwalking well I said what about the 803 00:39:38,829 --> 00:39:34,190 pump in my head I remember running into 804 00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:38,839 the screen door so you know I'm always 805 00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:42,049 known I've always had this whole 806 00:39:46,989 --> 00:39:44,660 fascination with all these subjects I've 807 00:39:48,609 --> 00:39:46,999 been a closeted UFO buff for years and I 808 00:39:51,219 --> 00:39:48,619 lived in New York City of course I could 809 00:39:53,410 --> 00:39:51,229 never be only a few really close friends 810 00:39:55,029 --> 00:39:53,420 I would talk to about this stuff and 811 00:39:58,569 --> 00:39:55,039 when I finally moved out west and then 812 00:40:01,359 --> 00:39:58,579 landed in the paranormal Disneyland 813 00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:01,369 that's when I really was able to really 814 00:40:09,339 --> 00:40:07,069 you know exercise you know my my just 815 00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,349 fascination you know to the extent of 816 00:40:13,989 --> 00:40:10,880 writing books and interviewing people 817 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:13,999 and putting 300,000 miles of my truck in 818 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:18,410 six years you know and see this is this 819 00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:20,690 is the best part of your experience 820 00:40:27,339 --> 00:40:25,369 though when you when you're talking with 821 00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:27,349 somebody that that has something that 822 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:28,120 they 823 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:31,330 to share you know you're going to listen 824 00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:34,270 you know where it goes from there but 825 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:37,600 you you've had your that that experience 826 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:39,610 right there and especially at that age 827 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,210 well we think life I would not be even 828 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:45,520 close to the person I am now if that 829 00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:47,830 hadn't happened you know way and 830 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:49,240 somebody comes up to you and tells you 831 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:53,650 you know or or better yet right somebody 832 00:40:58,530 --> 00:40:56,530 is talking to somebody else you're an 833 00:41:01,920 --> 00:40:58,540 observer and you're listening to 834 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:01,930 somebody tell a story that is similar to 835 00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:04,090 yours right and you're listening and the 836 00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:05,470 person that they're telling it to is 837 00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:11,800 dismissing it and and you know you know 838 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:13,720 and and that's the thing there are 839 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:15,610 people out there when they that are 840 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:19,090 gonna listen to this broadcast and and 841 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:20,830 listen to this word there's going to be 842 00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:22,030 those out there that are going you know 843 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:25,150 what man Chris is is you know I'm not 844 00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:26,950 I'm not buying into this then there are 845 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:30,040 the others that are gonna listen Chris 846 00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:31,690 and go you know what that same thing 847 00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:34,300 happened to me you know and and I need 848 00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:36,700 to hear this from Chris so I know that 849 00:41:41,850 --> 00:41:39,280 I'm not crazy and I've never talked 850 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:41,860 about it I've kept it inside but that's 851 00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:43,930 the importance of to have you shared 852 00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:46,060 that I've never I've never heard you 853 00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:48,190 speak about this before I'm here you 854 00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:51,190 know I didn't I didn't talk about this 855 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:54,670 for a long time with other than real 856 00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:58,330 close friends girlfriends and people I'd 857 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:00,840 known for decades who knew me so enough 858 00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:04,660 it wasn't until I really started getting 859 00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:07,270 publicly involved in this up and I had a 860 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:10,080 six hours of missing time out in Utah 861 00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,130 just before I moved to crest stone that 862 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:16,720 kind of reminded me that there's you 863 00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:19,690 know possibly I'm one of those people 864 00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:22,660 that attracts this type of stuff because 865 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:25,060 I at that point I'd had a couple of real 866 00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:27,490 good sightings one that was interactive 867 00:42:33,180 --> 00:42:30,310 a group of us were able to interact with 868 00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:33,190 lights in the sky and trace out lay on 869 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:35,080 the field and trace out shapes and they 870 00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,690 would mirror them in the sky was another 871 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:40,240 really interesting in New Paltz right 872 00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:41,530 around the time when 873 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,500 the streamer Clancy start having his 874 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:47,920 experiences in Nepal so you know I have 875 00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,110 had some other experiences too with 876 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:52,000 people that have always reminded me that 877 00:42:58,620 --> 00:42:55,210 I'm not crazy that there is something to 878 00:43:00,180 --> 00:42:58,630 this stuff but I was very reluctant just 879 00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:00,190 like being funded by Laurance 880 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:02,140 Rockefeller I was very reluctant to tell 881 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:05,010 people about that for a lot of years you 882 00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:06,970 know they're just certain things that 883 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:09,700 you don't want people to take care of 884 00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:12,700 that and then call your credibility or 885 00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:15,340 your integrity or your truthfulness or 886 00:43:20,430 --> 00:43:17,950 your veracity and the question and you 887 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:20,440 got to a point you know in the late 90s 888 00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:23,050 early 2004 I didn't really care anymore 889 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:26,080 I just felt so strongly that I had to 890 00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:28,210 really fess up because I was getting so 891 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:30,760 many questions about the abduction 892 00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:32,410 phenomenon and I was getting so many 893 00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:34,870 people talking about contact ease and 894 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,960 experiences and and strange experiences 895 00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:40,720 and and people constantly asking me and 896 00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:42,190 I would say yes and then I would say 897 00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:43,480 well I don't really want to talk about 898 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:45,790 it and I finally just you know one day 899 00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,180 it was at a conference do somebody asked 900 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,560 me and I said well that's the first time 901 00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:52,240 I've ever actually told it told this in 902 00:43:56,340 --> 00:43:54,460 public but yes you know and I told him 903 00:43:58,980 --> 00:43:56,350 the story it's one you know that and 904 00:44:01,380 --> 00:43:58,990 getting my three front to front piece 905 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:01,390 knocked out by a line drive and baseball 906 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:04,090 the following year crashing on my bike 907 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:09,370 real bad in a school of huge carp I mean 908 00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:10,450 there were certain things in my 909 00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:12,280 childhood that really that I remember 910 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:15,670 really well but nothing compares to the 911 00:44:22,590 --> 00:44:18,610 memory of of that night that was being 912 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:22,600 most freaky thing than anyone could ever 913 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:24,310 experience I mean it like I said it 914 00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:27,970 really changed my life there I think 915 00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:32,590 also that we're starting to the the way 916 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:35,110 that we looked you know going back to 917 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:39,370 say 1947 and and forward the way that we 918 00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:41,950 looked at UFOs we didn't understand the 919 00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:46,000 physics of of everything the size of the 920 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:50,150 universe we didn't have a real clue it 921 00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:55,970 in 1929 right 18 17 years before Roswell 922 00:45:02,109 --> 00:44:59,359 and Kenneth Arnold there was only a 923 00:45:06,279 --> 00:45:02,119 couple of galaxies out there right we 924 00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:06,289 didn't understand but what was around us 925 00:45:12,849 --> 00:45:10,609 or or gravity or early we did we just 926 00:45:16,809 --> 00:45:12,859 didn't understand it today we now in in 927 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:16,819 less than a lifetime ago now we 928 00:45:25,749 --> 00:45:20,410 understand that there is 400 billion 929 00:45:29,289 --> 00:45:25,759 galaxies all right 400 billion in 1929 930 00:45:33,099 --> 00:45:29,299 there was one the Milky Way ours right 931 00:45:35,170 --> 00:45:33,109 and and the way that we looked at UFOs 932 00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:35,180 was an innocent you know we're trying to 933 00:45:40,509 --> 00:45:38,180 figure things out today with with 934 00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:40,519 quantum mechanics and string theory and 935 00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:45,319 and and the the possibility of parallel 936 00:45:50,019 --> 00:45:47,569 worlds or interdimensional the many of 937 00:45:52,450 --> 00:45:50,029 the many world many worlds right all of 938 00:45:55,329 --> 00:45:52,460 it we have a scientific foundation of 939 00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:55,339 looking at the possibility of things 940 00:46:03,430 --> 00:45:59,450 were the crypto world or Bigfoot or UFOs 941 00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:03,440 or your two-dimensional stick guys right 942 00:46:14,979 --> 00:46:11,089 the that we have a alone-alone 943 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:14,989 and and and the majority of those are a 944 00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:19,970 billion years older than our Sun in the 945 00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:22,700 Milky Way in our Milky Way the age of 946 00:46:27,370 --> 00:46:25,160 the Milky Way is you know it's a 947 00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:27,380 phenomena it's old 948 00:46:33,999 --> 00:46:30,589 so yeah it's we didn't understand these 949 00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:34,009 things just less than a lifetime ago you 950 00:46:39,309 --> 00:46:35,660 know so yeah I think we're starting to 951 00:46:41,049 --> 00:46:39,319 understand with science the possibility 952 00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:41,059 of what is actually going on you're 953 00:46:47,019 --> 00:46:43,480 absolutely right a two-dimensional flat 954 00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:47,029 stick-figure guy waving a wand could 955 00:46:51,729 --> 00:46:49,880 that be et or off-planet could be is it 956 00:46:53,769 --> 00:46:51,739 something that just came into our 957 00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,779 frequency and you were able to see it 958 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:56,480 for a second right they could be walking 959 00:47:01,630 --> 00:46:57,890 around us right now 960 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:01,640 they follow me they follow me to 961 00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:03,530 neighbors houses well at least 962 00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:06,350 at least one neighbors house when I went 963 00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,640 around the corner and pounded on the 964 00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:08,960 second neighbor's door I don't recall 965 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:11,480 ever seeing them again after I came 966 00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:13,490 around the corner but then I disappeared 967 00:47:21,150 --> 00:47:17,720 so it's have the only time by the way I 968 00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:21,160 meant to ask you that was that the only 969 00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:25,940 contact I had an experience just the the 970 00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:29,030 the night before the first time I 971 00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:31,640 visited crept on in the San Luis Valley 972 00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:35,030 I was out dinosaur fossil hunting in 973 00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:37,640 Utah there was something running around 974 00:47:42,010 --> 00:47:39,880 we heard these little pitter-patter 975 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:42,020 stamps outside our tent and my 976 00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:44,930 girlfriend and my friend from back east 977 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:46,670 they were terrified and they were like 978 00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:47,450 blubbering 979 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:50,990 so I took the the Winchester and I went 980 00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:53,450 outside and checked around and I didn't 981 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:54,860 really see anything I look for 982 00:47:59,050 --> 00:47:56,810 footprints you know this is about one 983 00:48:01,240 --> 00:47:59,060 o'clock at night and they had never been 984 00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:01,250 in a place like south central Utah you 985 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:03,380 know this is kind of like being on a 986 00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:08,570 basin but for the south and so I sat in 987 00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,310 the car and I was gonna wait and see if 988 00:48:14,110 --> 00:48:12,800 something showed up and I was all of a 989 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:14,120 sudden I start seeing something in the 990 00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,490 rearview mirrors and it was like this 991 00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,280 you know was just playing with look on 992 00:48:22,570 --> 00:48:21,200 the left there and I'd see it right here 993 00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,580 and it would be in the center mirror 994 00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:25,280 there was something running around the 995 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:28,070 back of the car and I could just kind of 996 00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:30,350 barely check out movement some light 997 00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:32,600 colored movement and so I rolled down 998 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:36,260 the window I had a big mag light and I 999 00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:39,170 turned it on and I shown it you know to 1000 00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:40,760 the back of the car to see if I could 1001 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:42,260 see anything and I didn't say anything 1002 00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:46,250 so I turned and and faced forward you 1003 00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:47,780 know I was in the driver seat and the 1004 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:50,300 next I blinked and it was seven o'clock 1005 00:49:01,150 --> 00:48:59,140 sleeper even in my own bed and I wake up 1006 00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:01,160 three or four times a night I I don't 1007 00:49:05,830 --> 00:49:03,980 have any memory I mean in the light was 1008 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:05,840 still on the battery should have wore up 1009 00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:12,050 hours before and that freaked me out six 1010 00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,150 hours like five and a half six hours of 1011 00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:16,800 missing time just in a blink of an eye 1012 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:22,200 I don't have a missing time story yet 1013 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:25,290 III will eventually have one I don't 1014 00:49:30,350 --> 00:49:27,570 have one you know this is what this is 1015 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:30,360 what I find so much fun this is this is 1016 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:30,930 the truth 1017 00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:34,290 I never saw an orb in my life right I 1018 00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:36,180 would see pictures and I would dismiss 1019 00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:37,980 it you know whenever man that's dust 1020 00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:39,480 that's this I say you know you're 1021 00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:41,910 imagining things then I see my first orb 1022 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:47,040 that that changes you right but big yeah 1023 00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,290 you know in Bigfoot but just as I see my 1024 00:49:58,850 --> 00:49:54,900 first big footprint and then I don't see 1025 00:50:01,460 --> 00:49:58,860 one I see four right big giant in the 1026 00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:01,470 middle of this field and that changes 1027 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:05,360 you right the the whole meditation thing 1028 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:09,330 I always dismiss and then when when you 1029 00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:12,210 do it so I've I'm starting to accumulate 1030 00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:14,520 now I've seen my trying I photographed a 1031 00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:17,430 triangle in the sky I've seen my things 1032 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:20,100 but I haven't had the missing time I've 1033 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:21,330 seen a ghost 1034 00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:23,250 haven't had I don't have the missing 1035 00:50:31,580 --> 00:50:27,630 time experience yet yeah I can only 1036 00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:31,590 imagine no no I know I want that story 1037 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:33,980 Chris what's up next for you I know your 1038 00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:36,810 did you just finish your screenplay or 1039 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:38,700 you're writing it now what are you doing 1040 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:40,890 you've got a TV show you're working on - 1041 00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,730 right yeah I'm gonna be coming out with 1042 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:46,920 a podcast called out there with dead 1043 00:50:51,350 --> 00:50:49,530 featuring yours truly we've been working 1044 00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:51,360 on this for a while we had Meg Griffin 1045 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:54,540 the the famous DJ who first brought the 1046 00:51:00,160 --> 00:50:57,090 Ramones and Talking Heads and the clash 1047 00:51:03,350 --> 00:51:00,170 nearby to America she's been doing our 1048 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,360 voiceover stuff so that's going to be 1049 00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:05,940 debuting here in a week or so I'm real 1050 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:08,040 excited about that get back on the air 1051 00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:12,090 and then of course you know the new 1052 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:14,760 product program out in the family Sally 1053 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:16,770 this spring I'm going out we're gonna 1054 00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,050 put out the other couple of cameras and 1055 00:51:24,110 --> 00:51:21,680 get our scientific gear package 1056 00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,120 calibrated out there and start really 1057 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:26,640 getting some good information everybody 1058 00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:29,610 if you want to help out go to go fund 1059 00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:31,190 me.com 1060 00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:36,540 /you fadap and then - SLV for San Luis 1061 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:40,740 Valley so and our strange planet calm is 1062 00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:42,570 my website there's a lot of good stuff 1063 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:44,670 on there - if you're interested in in my 1064 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:47,070 work thank you so much great 1065 00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:49,950 conversation tonight from start to 1066 00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:50,430 finish 1067 00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:53,220 absolutely amazing and thank you look at 1068 00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:56,220 this you know I know I know I know I 1069 00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,720 can't wait to get you back on the show 1070 00:52:03,460 --> 00:51:59,700 and we'll get the links up for the Gulf 1071 00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:03,470 I mean let's do another round and and 1072 00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:07,320 your listeners who who chipped in last 1073 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,720 month I mean if there are two months ago 1074 00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:11,520 it was really great you guys you really 1075 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:15,000 helped get those that ship paid for and 1076 00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,370 get those two cameras up and real soon 1077 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:18,960 and we're going to have both 1078 00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,570 triangulated and we're gonna be posting 1079 00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:24,000 some pretty cool stuff and get us the 1080 00:52:29,090 --> 00:52:27,270 links up or let us know when the site 1081 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:29,100 goes active next week and we'll get that 1082 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:32,250 up there for you - will do thank you so 1083 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:35,010 much Chris thanks for having me 1084 00:52:42,350 --> 00:52:39,650 have a great night Chris O'Brien and 1085 00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:42,360 what a fantastic conversation but I got 1086 00:52:51,830 --> 00:52:46,740 to tell you I want to go back there I 1087 00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:51,840 have I have a friend that told me about 1088 00:52:59,650 --> 00:52:57,270 his experience and him and and the 1089 00:53:05,630 --> 00:52:59,660 people that he was with the thought that 1090 00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:05,640 it was an et contactor experience with 1091 00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:07,950 these creatures on the ground but this 1092 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:12,600 is if what he described was very similar 1093 00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:18,330 to what Chris just said in that they 1094 00:53:27,590 --> 00:53:22,800 were flat and they walked sideways and 1095 00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:27,600 then when in that they had shaped from 1096 00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:29,790 the front but then when they looked 1097 00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:31,710 around to the side they saw that they 1098 00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:34,040 were actually flat and they were walking 1099 00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:37,710 sideways and they shimmered and I was 1100 00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:46,640 told about that in probably 1985 1985 1101 00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:51,870 and the story was then repeated to me 1102 00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:53,790 many many years later a few years ago 1103 00:54:00,590 --> 00:53:56,910 and and and I had my memory refreshed on 1104 00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:00,600 it but that is that was that contact 1105 00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:02,190 that was that experience and that they 1106 00:54:08,570 --> 00:54:05,000 were they were 2d and they were walking 1107 00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:08,580 sideways and then when they got around 1108 00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:10,920 and and saw them turn that they were 1109 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:15,300 actually flat and hearing Chris describe 1110 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:19,170 it that way very very very interesting 1111 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:24,210 2d remember the other I meant to bring 1112 00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:27,330 this up the orb that the the orb that I 1113 00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:32,310 saw up at ESET II it was flat that orb 1114 00:54:39,110 --> 00:54:36,390 was not spherical it was flat it was 2d 1115 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:39,120 it was like a coin and it was flat it 1116 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:43,530 wasn't it wasn't 3d something something 1117 00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:47,330 going on there's a 2d there's a 2d 1118 00:54:54,190 --> 00:54:50,700 parallel world out there that is a that 1119 00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:54,200 is a side-scrolling Mario Brothers game 1120 00:54:59,630 --> 00:54:57,300 where everything is 2d and doesn't have 1121 00:55:01,220 --> 00:54:59,640 that third dimension to it think about 1122 00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:01,230 that very interesting 1123 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:05,880 Chris O'Brien the website is UFO dapi 1124 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:07,410 comm it's gonna go live next week 1125 00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:12,210 they've got one camera that is out there 1126 00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:15,030 now that is online they're gonna add the 1127 00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:17,400 second camera that is ready we will get 1128 00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:20,640 the go fund me up on Twitter and go and 1129 00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:22,500 help out all of us fate or nots get 1130 00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:24,630 together and get that done with that I'm 1131 00:55:27,740 --> 00:55:27,480 going to get out of here this is fade to 1132 00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:27,750 black 1133 00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:30,990 and tomorrow night right here on fade to 1134 00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:31,230 black 1135 00:55:37,820 --> 00:55:35,760 Johnny Enoch that's right the new area 1136 00:55:39,050 --> 00:55:37,830 51 that's going to be revealed tomorrow 1137 00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:39,060 night we're gonna talk about some 1138 00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:41,310 ancient history too as well little Egypt 1139 00:55:44,260 --> 00:55:42,920 little South America 1140 00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:44,270 we're gonna do all of that tomorrow 1141 00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:46,280 night Johnny inna Wednesday night 1142 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:50,049 Patrick would Tanakh recei technocracy 1143 00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:52,609 2.0 Thursday nights another favor night 1144 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:55,460 with Teresa and Aris I'm your host Jimmy 1145 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